Redlun XXXIV

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We should get the petition started ASAP now. perhaps atart with getting independant dispositions of the</div> <div> refugees statements. then Athamar will share the inteelligence he gleaned from the prisoner.</div> <div> Missiledine: doesn't really matter tho, just drag his ass outside and do it</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, A can use earth spells to open a clear area, then rest, havethe prisoner taken into the other cell, then do it</div> <div> Missiledine: true</div> <div> Dukejr01: laterm reform the stone.</div> <div> Dukejr01: or drag him outside. same same</div> <div> Dukejr01: not an important prisoner. might just as well do that</div> <div> Missiledine: have you had trouble accessing stuff on the site? Dawn is IMing and tells me she can't get past the general directory</div> <div> Dukejr01: I haven't had any trouble, let me look again</div> <div> Dukejr01: interesting that she is trying</div> <div> Missiledine: says she can't get into the archives... yes, its most encouraging!</div> <div> Dukejr01: All links work here. one thing. the Drunmore adventures are not linked on the main page. haveto go to the archives.</div> <div> Dukejr01: archives link works</div> <div> Missiledine: ah</div> <div> Missiledine: I'll have to fix that</div> <div> Missiledine: Sorry for the delay, trying to help her out</div> <div> Dukejr01: not a big deal to me</div> <div> Missiledine: all right then... You are having a strategy conference, or rather picking up where you left off</div> <div> Dukejr01: pkay</div> <div> Dukejr01: 60% increase in village size....</div> <div> Dukejr01: interesting map btw. I am looking for places to improve.</div> <div> Missiledine: I figured you would!</div> <div> Missiledine: It should be possible to build some type of curtain wall to engulf a large section of the buildings</div> <div> Dukejr01: that is next</div> <div> Dukejr01: can't MAN such a big wall,. but it would discourage raiders</div> <div> Missiledine: yeah, it woulb be a deterrence</div> <div> Dukejr01: delay attackers long enough to evac everyone into the manor</div> <div> Missiledine: It's generally assumed that you need 1 man per 6' of wall to defend it properly</div> <div> Dukejr01: going to need a plan for that too. and practice that. A would also like to tighten up the militia training.</div> <div> Dukejr01: true.</div> <div> Dukejr01: could use some siege engines..... :-)</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, MORE expenses!</div> <div> Dukejr01: plus need new watch tower....</div> <div> Missiledine: well, building the wall should be cheap enough for you</div> <div> Dukejr01: true. going to need the time.</div> <div> Dukejr01: another project.</div> <div> Dukejr01: maybe for summer.</div> <div> Dukejr01: anyway. back to the immediate.</div> <div> Missiledine: well, once we resolve the smuggler issue you will have a few months time comp</div> <div> Missiledine: Gallus will suggest writing down all that has been learned and sending a copy to the Baron, unless you want to hold it back until later</div> <div> Dukejr01: true. should take more than a couple weeks to do the village expansion, maybe a couple more to build A's part of teh housing: that is foundations and</div> <div> chimney then make sections of wall.</div> <div> Dukejr01: good idea. Mention also that the Abbot has said about the Duke's actions years ago and possible information he might have about the stronghold.</div> <div> Missiledine: so you will give a full report?</div> <div> Dukejr01: specific things to hold back.... hmmmm.... maybe aboutthe gold and other goodies</div> <div> Dukejr01: no nota full report. This is Athamar's baby, he doesn't want the Baron to get a hair up his butt and decide to take the kill.</div> <div> Missiledine: ok, but all the 'military info' will be reported</div> <div> Dukejr01: right</div> <div> Dukejr01: A will try to draw it up in as professional manner as possible, he asks Ollyn and Gallus for input sincethey are experienced in thisstuff and they probably</div> <div> helped father.</div> <div> Dukejr01: since they were shield men to Rathban Tallenar etc</div> <div> Missiledine: all right, Gallus will sit down with you and take detailed notes from your interrogation notes (I assume you wrote it all down!)</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes. I should have n\mentonedthat. when A cast his spell he writes down specifically what his query was and the information he gets verbatim</div> <div> Dukejr01: so A has lot of pages of noted of raw data</div> <div> Dukejr01: then he boils that down to detailed notes. then draws an outline.</div> <div> Missiledine: ok, Gallus will go over it and will try and draw some rough maps for you</div> <div> Dukejr01: sorta like writing a term paper!</div> <div> Missiledine: </div> <div> Dukejr01: A can take some sand and shape it to look like the things he saw in the man's mind</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay, cool</div> <div> Missiledine: </div> <div> Dukejr01: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: what is this Secret Entrance? what about the concealed door??</div> <div> Missiledine: heh, heh, heh!</div> <div> Dukejr01: we avoid the area labeled "Trap"</div> <div> Missiledine: </div> <div> Dukejr01: lol</div> <div> Missiledine: </div> <div> Dukejr01: that reminds me, need to build some traps in Redlun</div> <div> Dukejr01: some bedroom traps are more pleasant than others</div> <div> Missiledine: </div> <div> Dukejr01: </div> <div> Missiledine: lol</div> <div> Missiledine: </div> <div> Dukejr01: okay. we put together a military type report, Athamar writes a diplomatic letter politely suggesting that the Duke might know a bit</div> <div> about the place re: the abbot. and tactfully and humbly mention that the proper thing for A to go through the Baron etcetc. doesn't hurt to flatter</div> <div> artfully.</div> <div> Dukejr01: all properly respectful of the Baron's place.</div> <div> Missiledine: of course</div> <div> Dukejr01: </div> <div> Dukejr01: </div> <div> Dukejr01: eh?</div> <div> Dukejr01: did that come thru?</div> <div> Dukejr01: </div> <div> Missiledine: yep</div> <div> Dukejr01: I have blank lines for the last sentance</div> <div> Missiledine: hmmm, interesting... Can't put those in the Manor house tho!</div> <div> Dukejr01: andthe one jsut above "eh?"</div> <div> Missiledine: me too</div> <div> Dukejr01: no, pit traps are for the Fangs. I would have gotten these done next if it wasn't for the smugglers</div> <div> Dukejr01: really. okay. to repeat: Athamar will also get rid of the secret entrance and make a new one</div> <div> Missiledine: good idea</div> <div> Dukejr01: in fact. sealing up the secret entrance is next morning's task right after breakfast</div> <div> Missiledine: ok, that is probably a good plan... How deep are you going to go? And will you make a new exit now? Are you sealing from the</div> <div> inside or the outside?</div> <div> Dukejr01: the new secret entrance?</div> <div> Missiledine: yes</div> <div> Dukejr01: Seal up the old entrance from the inside. stone shape, I am torn about putting a trap in here and then seal the old keep from it.</div> <div> Dukejr01: the new entrance will have the secret entrance in the new tower keep. A wll go as deep as he can. depends on if he can keep a tunnel</div> <div> from leaking lots of water underthe water table</div> <div> Missiledine: Hmm, gallus suggests making a cave area inside the secret entrance, closing off the tunnel but leaving a place as a refuge and</div> <div> maybe somewhere to store some 'escape' type gear</div> <div> Missiledine: true</div> <div> Dukejr01: he means the old or new one?</div> <div> Missiledine: but with careful stoneshape you should be able to make the tunnel water tight</div> <div> Missiledine: old one</div> <div> Dukejr01: that is what I was wondering. re: watertight. I think its possible. if so we can make a really long and deep escape tunnel, too deep for</div> <div> earth vision to see.</div> <div> Missiledine: remember, I have changed the numbers on that</div> <div> Dukejr01: good idea. A will use stone shape to hollow out a concealed place for the cache in the old entrance. we can put stuff in there later.</div> <div> then he builds a regular stone wallat the foot ofhte stairs he will fill in the stairs up to the first secret door and put an E-stone wall at the top</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes. I remember</div> <div> Dukejr01: A will keep earth vision anyway</div> <div> Missiledine: its still useful, just not a dungeon buster like it was</div> <div> Dukejr01: we just as well keep the secret entrances insidethe keep</div> <div> Dukejr01: </div> <div> Missiledine: ok, so the ones in the old tower you do keep?</div> <div> Dukejr01: Athamar ponders. nah. get rid of them too. but we will need a means of moving from floor to floor in the old keep</div> <div> Dukejr01: maybe just rehape the lot and put an open spiral staircase half in and half out of the wall there.</div> <div> Missiledine: could just cut trap doors between the floors</div> <div> Dukejr01: that is an idea. increase privacy while having he utility of access in case of siege</div> <div> Dukejr01: sounds good. fill in and seal up the secret stair and cut trap doors.</div> <div> Missiledine: ok, ladders that you remove, or stairs to each one?</div> <div> Dukejr01: gotta change the manor to suit the Tallenars. last thingwe need is a sneaky Havnar....</div> <div> Dukejr01: ladders</div> <div> Missiledine: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: :-P</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, that done. we turn to the immediate plans</div> <div> Missiledine: ok</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, get the report ready. what is the fastest way to the baron? send it directly to him or talk to Boma?</div> <div> Missiledine: directly to him, its appropriate</div> <div> Dukejr01: Okay. Athamar sends a messenger.</div> <div> Dukejr01: btw. do we need a Magistrate to do dispositions for the serfs?</div> <div> Missiledine: uhmmm, it wouldn't hurt, but its not strictly neccessary</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay. A will do that when he hastime, he plans to make a really solid case, include dispositions, maybe take an eyewitness if it</div> <div> comes to a hearing. try to be as objective as possible.</div> <div> Missiledine: ok, Gallus thinks it will come to a hearing, or at least a meeting with the King and the aggrieved Baron and you</div> <div> Dukejr01: oh, boy!</div> <div> Missiledine: uh huh</div> <div> Dukejr01: if A is lucky, the Baron will be too embarrassed to make an issue of it..... What are the Roleplaying chances????</div> <div> Missiledine: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: "You mean, and entire village decided that you were an incompetant ninny and scarpered off? Now you want them returned so they</div> <div> can scarper off again?</div> <div> Dukejr01: anyway....</div> <div> Missiledine: lol</div> <div> Missiledine: all right... You get your plans written up and sent off... err, you are sending them off now, right?</div> <div> Missiledine: (Should have sent them with Jacinta! Oh well.)</div> <div> Dukejr01: Didn;t think the Baron was in that direction....</div> <div> Missiledine: Oak Hall, the town near the monastary</div> <div> Dukejr01: send them off now,. A wants to get on the Smugglers ASAP</div> <div> Dukejr01: oh, I see.</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, another messenger on a fast horse goes that direction</div> <div> Missiledine: (The town and the monastery are seperate but close by></div> <div> Dukejr01: k</div> <div> Missiledine: Ok, of course this will take a day or so to compile and write up</div> <div> Dukejr01: </div> <div> Dukejr01: true.</div> <div> Missiledine: Gallus will suggest that you open the armory and the village's armory, and get all the militia and new people armed and equipped</div> <div> and maybe have Ollyn run some basic drills to see what kind of material you have to work with</div> <div> Dukejr01: Good idea. Lets get on that immediately.</div> <div> Dukejr01: look over the spear levy and see if there is any potential there too. A wants a well equipped militia AND spear levy in time</div> <div> Dukejr01: actually, he his hoping to get the milita in metal armour and drill them in Velitar crossbow tactics, and haveteh spear levy in reinforced</div> <div> leather with at least medium shields spear and axes.</div> <div> Missiledine: ambitious</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes. and expensive. but that way he will be able to take his regulars and be confident that Redlun is well protected</div> <div> Missiledine: true</div> <div> Dukejr01: Athamar doesn't mind if the peasants are armed.</div> <div> Dukejr01: in fact he would encourage it.</div> <div> Missiledine: </div> <div> Dukejr01: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: If Athamar is doing his job he need not fear them, and if they trust Athamar, they will be willing to obey even if they don't like the idea</div> <div> Dukejr01: </div> <div> Missiledine: ok, I'm looking at your present militia...</div> <div> Missiledine: Militia is armed with spears, axes or clubs, leather armor, leather cassis, small</div> <div> wooden shields, large knife. Additionaly, eleven men have crossbows, four have</div> <div> stone prods and six employ slings</div> <div> Dukejr01: 23 militia.</div> <div> Dukejr01: two have no missle weapons</div> <div> Missiledine: you already handed out some weapons if I recall</div> <div> Dukejr01: we have some captured crossbows.</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes. we handed out a bunch of axes, the crossbow used as a trap in the Fangs, and some spears</div> <div> Missiledine: right, and you dispensed some shortswords if I remember right... I didn't update the file... bad GM!</div> <div> Missiledine: 26 in the spear levy</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes. to those who could use them. A has a number of broadswords, and armour left from the Kings dispension</div> <div> Dukejr01: 26? okay</div> <div> Missiledine: </div> <div> Dukejr01: I will take your word for it.</div> <div> Missiledine: hmm, I can't find my file on the refugees...</div> <div> Missiledine: it should be in Athamar's folder! Damn!</div> <div> Dukejr01: hmmm...</div> <div> Dukejr01: I am thinking that the serfs among the refugees are going to be motivated and experienced spear levy</div> <div> Dukejr01: maybe needle Redlun's spear levy to perform better.</div> <div> Dukejr01: same with the milita</div> <div> Missiledine: I'm going to have to redo it!</div> <div> Dukejr01: can you do a search?</div> <div> Missiledine: just did</div> <div> Dukejr01: odd.</div> <div> Dukejr01: in the documents history?</div> <div> Missiledine: I'll find it! I have my paper notes around here too</div> <div> Missiledine: hang on a sec</div> <div> Dukejr01: lol</div> <div> Missiledine: okay, I have some of it here</div> <div> Missiledine: 110 people, 29 famlies</div> <div> Missiledine: 10 free famlies, 19 serfs</div> <div> Dukejr01: wow</div> <div> Dukejr01: cool</div> <div> Dukejr01: 10 more milita</div> <div> Dukejr01: 36 militia.... what does the spear levy come to?</div> <div> Missiledine: 73 adults, 37 children under 15</div> <div> Missiledine: hang on</div> <div> Missiledine: 7 adults over 50 (3 men 4 women)</div> <div> Missiledine: 30 adult men, 36 adult women (between 15 and 50)</div> <div> Missiledine: That is the total on the group...</div> <div> Dukejr01: k</div> <div> Missiledine: There are four famlies who have lost father/husbands on the trip</div> <div> Dukejr01: hmmm.... a little question about what they will do</div> <div> Dukejr01: all farmers?</div> <div> Missiledine: so, you have 10 new militia and 15 new spear levy</div> <div> Dukejr01: how well arethey armed?</div> <div> Missiledine: That's the stuff I don't have! I had worked up some craft skills etc and that I can't find</div> <div> Dukejr01: lol</div> <div> Missiledine: Will redo it and send it along later</div> <div> Dukejr01: k</div> <div> Missiledine: the free men all have leather armor, a club or hand axe and a crossbow or prodd</div> <div> Missiledine: The serfs have light leather or padding (PD1 DR1 stuff) and club or hand axe and a spear... $ of them have prodds.</div> <div> Dukejr01: can our smith make armour or shields?</div> <div> Missiledine: There are six shields through the whole group</div> <div> Dukejr01: wow. no wondert hey weer chewed up</div> <div> Missiledine: well, if you have your leather worker and smith and carpenter work together, you should be able to make studded leather, wooden</div> <div> shields witrh metal banding and leather helms</div> <div> Dukejr01: k. hmmmm...</div> <div> Missiledine: Of course you will need the leather to boil and process</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes. long term process.</div> <div> Dukejr01: looks like we are going to go south and round up some cattle for food and leather.</div> <div> Dukejr01: what time of year is best for that? spring? after calving?</div> <div> Missiledine: well, you do produce a certain number of hides each year, pig skins, sheep skins, cattle, goat skin... But only the cattle leather is</div> <div> really tough enough</div> <div> Dukejr01: horsehide is thicker and stronger than cowhide. but using that depends on the mores of the society</div> <div> Missiledine: its easier to catch cows when they are slowed down by calves, but they also get more aggressive in protectin their young</div> <div> Missiledine: horse hide is fine, you just don't slaughter many horses in a year</div> <div> Dukejr01: don't really want to feed them all winter to wait for their offspring anyway</div> <div> Dukejr01: true</div> <div> Missiledine: well, if you collect the calves after they are weaned you can domesticate them into your own herds and slaughter the wild adults for</div> <div> meat and hides</div> <div> Dukejr01: exactly. that is the plan. get them in the spring.</div> <div> Dukejr01: I suppose this years hides have been sold by the Royal agents</div> <div> Missiledine: what you need is to outfit one of your wagons as a slaughter house/smoke shed on wheels. Take it with you and process the meat</div> <div> and hides in the field. Load it into other wagons and send it back to Redlun</div> <div> Missiledine: yep</div> <div> Dukejr01: good idea.</div> <div> Dukejr01: I thought about making a slaughter area in or right near that grasy watered area.</div> <div> Dukejr01: build a wall, have some pits and rude buildings. trundle a bunch od serfs out there and let them go to town whilethe troops patrol and</div> <div> protect them</div> <div> Missiledine: this way you shoot the steer and take the wagon to it, rather then herd or drag the animal to the slaughter area</div> <div> Missiledine: hmm, true</div> <div> Missiledine: long term that would be more efficent</div> <div> Dukejr01: build a wall around the grassy area. herd the cattle into it, live meat locker.</div> <div> Dukejr01: have some buildings for slaughter and a bunkhouse for the migrant workers</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, that is for late spring. whenthe calves are about to wean. though A might get started on the buildings beforethen.</div> <div> Missiledine: that would work, spend a month collecting animals and processing them. Send a wagon of meat and hides back once a week or so</div> <div> Dukejr01: I like this idea</div> <div> Dukejr01: could have morethan one processing area. more operations when we clear an area.</div> <div> Dukejr01: will want to leave plenty of wild animals to repopulate</div> <div> Missiledine: remember, you do not hold title to all that area, so don't put a lot of money into buildings</div> <div> Dukejr01: could process goats sheeep and others too</div> <div> Dukejr01: stone shape</div> <div> Dukejr01: the serfs can bring sheepskins to lay on stone bunks to sleep on</div> <div> Missiledine: technically its part of the Baron's demise, though it is ignored by him. He probably wouldn't object if you shared the meat with him</div> <div> Dukejr01: ned some troughs and firepits. and pits for tanning. nice thing aboutthis: gets the stinky work done outside redlun</div> <div> Missiledine: true</div> <div> Dukejr01: the Barons? hmmm....</div> <div> Dukejr01: that is easy. ask the fol of Windhook for help.they can lend a hand and take a share.</div> <div> Dukejr01: A handles construction, most of the protection etc</div> <div> Missiledine: Windhook would be the administrative center, but basicly its far more territory then the Baron, or Beal, has people to patrol</div> <div> Dukejr01: exactly</div> <div> Dukejr01: We should scout west too. see what is there. richer land</div> <div> Dukejr01: but putting poor land to SOME use would be a blessing.</div> <div> Missiledine: it would be easier to run wagons east to Windhook and pick up the road there, then to go north over the rough terrain to Redlun</div> <div> Dukejr01: true.</div> <div> Dukejr01: is Redlun and Windhook close enough to have towers with signal lights visable to the other?</div> <div> Dukejr01: is = are</div> <div> Missiledine: you will probably need to bring wood or charcoal for smoking to the area, there are not a lot of trees about, tho the scrub will do</div> <div> some of it</div> <div> Missiledine: nope</div> <div> Dukejr01: good idea. another thing that Redlun could contribute that Windhook lacks</div> <div> Missiledine: it also means you will have to set more serfs to work as wood cutter/charcoal burners at Redlun... Between the increased population</div> <div> and this project, the two famlies doing the work now will be overwhelmed</div> <div> Dukejr01: true. </div> <div> Dukejr01: going to need at least one perhaps two more woodcutters</div> <div> Dukejr01: that is easy, who WANTS the job?</div> <div> Dukejr01: A will also want to ge busy with te E-earth on teh orchards to increase tree/wood production.</div> <div> Missiledine: if I recall correctly, without looking it up, your retainers (Those you brought in) have 8 famlies between them. With the original 39</div> <div> famlie plus the new 29 famlies, you have 76 famlies in the village</div> <div> Missiledine: you don't cut down orchard trees for firewood! Thats what the forest is for!</div> <div> Dukejr01: no, but dying, old unproductive orchard trees ARE choped down and used.</div> <div> Dukejr01: nothing like a nice apple wood fire.</div> <div> Missiledine: true, but there aren't that many each year</div> <div> Dukejr01: true. maybe A should start a nursery with E-wood o that when trees are felled in the forest we can plant a nice saplin in its place</div> <div> Missiledine: not a bad idea</div> <div> Missiledine: The manor house alone uses 252 cords of wood a year to heat it and cook the food</div> <div> Dukejr01: going to need two more woodcutter families.</div> <div> Missiledine: I would think</div> <div> Dukejr01: A will want to eventually get magic Create fire selfpowered fireplaces in at least his room.</div> <div> Dukejr01: and probably thje kitchen too</div> <div> Missiledine: I don't recall specifying those in the list. The majority were farmers tho, so just assign them that job</div> <div> Missiledine: the kitchen would be the best place, that fire burns pretty much all the time between heat and food</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes. probably the kitchen first. then A's room. there are perks to being the Lord</div> <div> Dukejr01: darnit</div> <div> Missiledine: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: a nice steam or hot water spring would be nice. for baths. sauna and the greenhouse and nursery</div> <div> Missiledine: there you go, looking for a volcano again!</div> <div> Dukejr01: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: need fire spells for that</div> <div> Dukejr01: I likethe idea</div> <div> Dukejr01: is that wrong?</div> <div> Missiledine: build a big metal cistern and use a create fire spell to heat it all the time. As long as some cold water is coming in it should be ok</div> <div> Missiledine: I don't think you really want a volcanic vent under your manor, do you?</div> <div> Dukejr01: cool. good idea. a self powered shape earth item can pump water for running water all over the house. hey. put a purify water spell on</div> <div> it too.</div> <div> Dukejr01: can simultaniously purify and move the h2o</div> <div> Missiledine: self powered shape earth?</div> <div> Dukejr01: under the manor. nah. the geotherma tap can be outside. pipe it in with e-earth stone pipes.</div> <div> Dukejr01: shape water</div> <div> Missiledine: ah, ok</div> <div> Dukejr01: lets see. shape water, purify water and power</div> <div> Dukejr01: next thing is an elevator</div> <div> Dukejr01: or "lift" as the english would say</div> <div> Missiledine: if it were me... I'd build the cistern on the roof and use create water to fill it... then gravity moves it</div> <div> Dukejr01: oooo!</div> <div> Dukejr01: might be cheaper that route, need power 2 and create water</div> <div> Dukejr01: have a spill valve.</div> <div> Missiledine: have cister A filling constantly with create water. Overflow pipe leading to B and also feed pipe into house. Cistern B is heating the</div> <div> water and feed pipe takes it into house</div> <div> Dukejr01: I like!</div> <div> Missiledine: create water is expensive tho, so you could supplement it with rain water or pump fresh in from the river</div> <div> Missiledine: an air golem working a pump would do that</div> <div> Dukejr01: hot and cold running water for the kitchen, baths, and conservatory and nursery</div> <div> Dukejr01: a self powered item woudl create a gallon a second. that is a lot</div> <div> Missiledine: true</div> <div> Dukejr01: 60 gal a minute. 3600 gal an hour.</div> <div> Dukejr01: the only real limitation would be the size of the cisterns.</div> <div> Dukejr01: I already have an idea about that.</div> <div> Missiledine: Cistern A wouldn't need to be very big, but you might need a third spill pipe, use it to flush the middens</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, you would want some cold water for firefighting and watering plants and a running water toilet! :-)</div> <div> Dukejr01: great idea re: middens</div> <div> Dukejr01: no more tinky middens</div> <div> Dukejr01: stinky</div> <div> Dukejr01: might need a Dwark to plan this hydrolic womder</div> <div> Dukejr01: wonder</div> <div> Dukejr01: Dwarf</div> <div> Dukejr01: ... drawk</div> <div> Missiledine: yeah, would help</div> <div> Dukejr01: :-P</div> <div> Dukejr01: of coruse if magic is that common. several places might have such works already.</div> <div> Missiledine: a 1 hex fire would be enough to heat the cistern B</div> <div> Dukejr01: need only 1 point of power to maintain.</div> <div> Missiledine: yes, you can assume something like this exists in at least the Royal palace and the Ducal palaces and probably the Cathederals at</div> <div> the very minimum</div> <div> Dukejr01: start it up nd let it go</div> <div> Dukejr01: A might have some knowledge of it since he has archetecture</div> <div> Missiledine: logical, give you a default roll at least</div> <div> Dukejr01: still, A would go ahead and hire a professional</div> <div> Dukejr01: this si a project for when he has disposable income.</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay. what else can be accomplished tonight?</div> <div> Missiledine: the big expense is the Power spells</div> <div> Dukejr01: I am looking at 37,500</div> <div> Dukejr01: in power spells</div> <div> Missiledine: yep, sounds about right</div> <div> Dukejr01: the Romans managed nice baths with wood fired heat.</div> <div> Missiledine: unless you learn the spells yourself</div> <div> Dukejr01: lol. the TIME to enchant them would be significant.</div> <div> Missiledine: yeah, and deforested most of Italy and Britian</div> <div> Dukejr01: anyway....</div> <div> Dukejr01: how long will it take to expand the village?</div> <div> Missiledine: that will be tricky too.... Having an Enchantment going on in the middle of an occupied Manor House!</div> <div> Missiledine: well, if you put EVERYONE to work on it... Probably have all the houses you need in two months</div> <div> Dukejr01: what won;t get done if he does?</div> <div> Missiledine: a modern house can go from start to finish in 100 days, but that includes a lot of extras that don't apply here</div> <div> Dukejr01: we are talking cottages. and A can use earth spells.</div> <div> Missiledine: Well, its mid winter, working outside is a bitch, but somethings will still need to be done, tending herds, milking, cheeswe making...</div> <div> Missiledine: Hmm, yes... </div> <div> Dukejr01: I was thinking about breaching the mill dam and dredging the pond. while doing that, he could expand the village land some. is that</div> <div> feasable and how much?</div> <div> Missiledine: Okay, being more realistic... You build the walls and floor of a twenty by twenty one story house. Includes making two doorways and</div> <div> say three window openings</div> <div> Missiledine: It would then take five men five days to roof it, close it up, build the interior walls etc</div> <div> Dukejr01: that is typical for a serf or freeman?</div> <div> Dukejr01: Athamar would like to see Redlun as a model for a properous and comfortable rural village. kinda Kincade like</div> <div> Missiledine: serf, there would be a loft area for the kids, a bedroom downstairs for mom and dad and a common room</div> <div> Missiledine: roofs are the problem... no thatch available in winter, you will have to use wood or slate</div> <div> Dukejr01: or shaped stone....</div> <div> Dukejr01: Redlun has red stone. I am thinking green stone/slate roofs would look nice.</div> <div> Missiledine: yeah, slabs say 1 inch thick or shape extra onto the top of the walls and mold it over</div> <div> Dukejr01: I like the mold idea.</div> <div> Dukejr01: although slabs might be faster. A can make a bunch of those in one shaping.</div> <div> Missiledine: lets see, use shape earth to form the house? then earth to stone to solidify it?</div> <div> Dukejr01: I calculatedd it out once. it was about the same cost either way. shape stone was about as easy as anything.</div> <div> Missiledine: the question is, is there enough stone to work with?</div> <div> Dukejr01: unless we can get say, 100 spectators to help cast a ritual spell</div> <div> Dukejr01: the Fangs!</div> <div> Dukejr01: chop up that bastard!</div> <div> Dukejr01: hee hee!</div> <div> Missiledine: how will you move it?</div> <div> Dukejr01: I hate that place</div> <div> Missiledine: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: could shape stone into cyliners and roll it downhill.</div> <div> Missiledine: oh yeah</div> <div> Dukejr01: cylinders</div> <div> Missiledine: :-D</div> <div> Missiledine: I like that one!</div> <div> Missiledine: "Aiiiieee! It can't be stopped!"</div> <div> Dukejr01: would have to be careful not to kill people with out of control stone cylinders flying all over</div> <div> Dukejr01: lol</div> <div> Missiledine: probably easier to turn dirt into stone</div> <div> Missiledine: at the site</div> <div> Dukejr01: true</div> <div> Dukejr01: now we need enough dirt</div> <div> Missiledine: you can use move earth to pull muck out of the mill pond and shape the walls from that</div> <div> Missiledine: sorry, shape earth</div> <div> Missiledine: My AD&D roots were showing</div> <div> Dukejr01: good idea. we will make a bigass pile. A will dredge the mill pond and moveteh river a little. make it deeper. use that earth to enlarge</div> <div> the village area and the use the excess to make houses.</div> <div> Dukejr01: A will make he houses a little nicer. not so much biigerm but better made, warmer. makethe walls thick and hollow inside, put bundled</div> <div> straw in them for insulation</div> <div> Dukejr01: make the Fireplace double sided, thick to hold heat.</div> <div> Missiledine: no, that won't help. I live in a stone house with 30" walls. Make it solid, once its warm it stays warm for a long time</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay.</div> <div> Dukejr01: these will be SOLID.</div> <div> Missiledine: the houses marked in yellow on the map have thatch roofs</div> <div> Dukejr01: no plaster here</div> <div> Dukejr01: A wil eventually get around to making them slate.</div> <div> Missiledine: wattle and daub is the technique at this point in history</div> <div> Dukejr01: can we improve on that?</div> <div> Missiledine: why?</div> <div> Dukejr01: I dunno. </div> <div> Dukejr01: I guess A doesn't care whath te serfs have for interior walls</div> <div> Missiledine: it eventually evolved into plaster and lathe, but the idea is the same but without nails</div> <div> Dukejr01: when I said plaster, I meant to say mortar</div> <div> Missiledine: ah</div> <div> Dukejr01: the walls wil lbe solid fitted stone. not fieldstone with mortar</div> <div> Missiledine: right, actually there would be no seams, more like poured concrete</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay. we should get cracking. can A estimate how long it will take to dredge and move all this earth if he works bascially all day</div> <div> shaping earth? he can maintain that spell indefinitely.</div> <div> Missiledine: thinking about that</div> <div> Dukejr01: A will want to make the village larger than need to cope with further population increases.</div> <div> Missiledine: this is a lot of dirt to move! plus taking out trees</div> <div> Missiledine: are you looking at the map?</div> <div> Dukejr01: yah. serfs take out trees. A stands there maintaining he spell.</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes</div> <div> Missiledine: what if....</div> <div> Dukejr01: </div> <div> Missiledine: instead of pushing the river further east and adding land on the west bank.... you split the river between the village and the chapel</div> <div> and made a channel so the river flowed on both sides... you would need a bridge to enter it</div> <div> Dukejr01: <"I would loov to zee ze expression on Wellington's face right now, eh?></div> <div> Missiledine: lol</div> <div> Missiledine: you'd probably have to move or knock down a few sheds, but you could extend the canal around the cavalry stables</div> <div> Dukejr01: I like it. instead of a wall which we cannot defend</div> <div> Missiledine: and bring it in on the other side of the manor</div> <div> Dukejr01: I like that alot. has A cleared the moat yet? ghe coule tie it all right into that. one thing. I kinda wanted to improveteh front gate</div> <div> protection. adding one of those narrow twin tower jobs on the other side ofthe moat</div> <div> Dukejr01: this wat hat twin tower job could be on an island in he middle of the moat.</div> <div> Missiledine: near the chapel the river is about 4 or 5 foot deep, so you need the canal about the same depth, plus the height of the bank cut, say</div> <div> another 4' for a 9' deep trench.... the boxes are about 25 feet across, maybe a bit more</div> <div> Dukejr01: lotsa extra earth now</div> <div> Dukejr01: I LIKE this idea. all the important buildings would be inside protection. we would have triple perimeter..</div> <div> Dukejr01: you rock</div> <div> Missiledine: okay, a canal section 25' wide by 25' long by 9' deep is 208 hexes of dirt</div> <div> Missiledine: you can throw up the extra dirt, and there will bve a lot of it, on the inside edge to create a new pallisade base</div> <div> Dukejr01: that is what I am thinking.</div> <div> Missiledine: you can then take out the old palisade for room</div> <div> Dukejr01: yup!</div> <div> Dukejr01: A can take his time makinghte palasade stone....</div> <div> Missiledine: so, looking at the map.... coming off the river just south of the existing wall and heading NW past the shed and across the road</div> <div> Missiledine: continue at the same angle? past the SW corner of the turnout area?</div> <div> Missiledine: how much bulge do you want?</div> <div> Dukejr01: just as well get as much inside as possible, we won't be taking much farmland as that is all being used for other things</div> <div> Missiledine: well, then come off the river closer to the tree line by the chapel and go more due west</div> <div> Dukejr01: I like the idea of a big area in protection. we can finesse the best land use inside the village area as years go by. </div> <div> Dukejr01: spund good.</div> <div> Dukejr01: sounds.</div> <div> Missiledine: cross the road then head NW</div> <div> Dukejr01: build a stone bridge, might even want it fortified.</div> <div> Missiledine: cut across the corner formed by the lanes</div> <div> Missiledine: how far west of the turnout area?</div> <div> Missiledine: those individual trees are fruit trees btw</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, don;t want to take any farmland out. move it as far west as we can manage</div> <div> Missiledine: how far?</div> <div> Missiledine: turnout area is for processing livestock for shearing, butchering etc</div> <div> Missiledine: May want to build new one outside the village later</div> <div> Dukejr01: 20 feet? far enough to include it and get the new palisade in</div> <div> Dukejr01: good idea</div> <div> Missiledine: ok, 1 box say</div> <div> Missiledine: ok, assuming 62 boxes long... that is 1,550 feet of canal or, 13,125 cubic yards (hexes) of dirt, at an average depth of 9 feet</div> <div> Dukejr01: lets see how far wil lteh average hex of dirt have to be moved? 20 feet?</div> <div> Missiledine: how much dirt can you move in a day?</div> <div> Missiledine: yeah, about that</div> <div> Dukejr01: shaped earth travels at 2 hexes per turn or 6 feet. call it one hex is moved 18 feet in 3 turns. A can cast the spell and maintain it all</div> <div> day. that would be </div> <div> Dukejr01: 24 feet in 4 turns. 15 hexes a minute?</div> <div> Dukejr01: 900 hexes an hour.</div> <div> Missiledine: if I were you I'd start the project in the center, maybe between the chapel and the slaughter house... that way you'll have dirt to build</div> <div> with, tho those houses will be outside the pallisade initially, and it won't be flooded</div> <div> Missiledine: damn</div> <div> Dukejr01: can that be right? must be</div> <div> Missiledine: makes it 15 hours of work?</div> <div> Dukejr01: doesn' sem right</div> <div> Dukejr01: seem</div> <div> Missiledine: 1 hex moved 18' in 3 seconds means 20 hexes moved in 1 minute</div> <div> Dukejr01: twow</div> <div> Missiledine: or 1200 hexes in 1 hour</div> <div> Missiledine: however</div> <div> Missiledine: As you dig the trench down, and build the slope up, the distance would actually increase</div> <div> Dukejr01: that won;t move stones or rocks I expect. someone is going to have to fetch them</div> <div> Dukejr01: true</div> <div> Missiledine: moving dirt from the bottom of the trench to the top of the wall is almost 20' plus the distance across the trench, so at max it would</div> <div> be around 40', so, to make it easy, double the estimated time</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay</div> <div> Dukejr01: so..... three or four days</div> <div> Missiledine: you could use Shape stone to chop boulders into manageable sizes</div> <div> Missiledine: or move them into the wall using shape stone</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes. will do that. say, work til noon. then go in and chop them up</div> <div> Dukejr01: even better</div> <div> Dukejr01: will we want to put a palisade and reinforce the banks directly all the way around the whol perimeter?</div> <div> Dukejr01: say. reinforce the inside bank of the river all the way around and make the palisade all he way around.</div> <div> Dukejr01: also, might want a could points of river egress. maybe a dock</div> <div> Dukejr01: could = couple.</div> <div> Missiledine: allowing for sighting for leveling, working around the rocks etc, doing 8 hours a day....7 days of work</div> <div> Missiledine: reinforce the banks how?> earth to stone?</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay. that way A can have time to do his administration</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes.</div> <div> Dukejr01: or A could work into the night, he does have an hour of reduced sleep</div> <div> Missiledine: that will take more time, 5 per hex</div> <div> Dukejr01: oh. one other thing. get rid of the old palisade.</div> <div> Missiledine: true, your skill makes moving earth zero, right?</div> <div> Missiledine: use that dirt to build the houses you need</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes. maybe pak the earth and earth to stone later when he has more time.</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes</div> <div> Dukejr01: good idea</div> <div> Missiledine: then you won't have any shallow spots on the outer wall</div> <div> Dukejr01: yu mean areas to get into the river?</div> <div> Missiledine: using that dirt to build, there should be enough, and these moving rates...</div> <div> Dukejr01: one question! the Mill dam!</div> <div> Missiledine: no, I mean areas that don't have enough dirt to keep the wall constant</div> <div> Dukejr01: I shouldn't bring this up....</div> <div> Missiledine: I've been thinking about it</div> <div> Dukejr01: oh, I see</div> <div> Missiledine: the best think would be to bring the canal back oto the river upstream of the damn</div> <div> Missiledine: cut across the front of the Manor house, using the old moat channel and digging it down so the water flows the other direction then</div> <div> it does now</div> <div> Dukejr01: I see... </div> <div> Missiledine: the old moat, which dried up along time ago, came off from the dam, wrapped around the front and back down the north slope to the</div> <div> river</div> <div> Dukejr01: oh, yes,. I see.</div> <div> Dukejr01: could split it and send the river right back</div> <div> Missiledine: would give you water on three sides of the manor</div> <div> Missiledine: hmm?</div> <div> Dukejr01: how aboutapproachin the manor with teh river on the corner nearest the gate. split the river, sending one branch leftlooping around</div> <div> that side of the manor, then deat end it as it reaches the old keep. the right split could go aroun and to the mill</div> <div> Dukejr01: seems to me that the most vunderable corner of teh manor os the one corner without a tower</div> <div> Missiledine: I would end your new earthen/stone wall right at the NW gate tower (the existing small tower) start creating stone right there and</div> <div> work my way back. The northern and NE sides of the manor have fairly steep slopes</div> <div> Dukejr01: oh. I see</div> <div> Missiledine: well, you could run the right branch straight NE to the river, but its down hill and most of the water will go there rather then back</div> <div> behind the dam I think the mill would loose to much power that way</div> <div> Dukejr01: I want a tower on that corner anyway eventually</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay. I didn't realise it was so steep there</div> <div> Missiledine: the reason that corner didn't get a tower was because the hill dropped away there</div> <div> Missiledine: below the dam, N of it, the river falls sharply, rough water there</div> <div> Missiledine: not a true waterfall though</div> <div> Dukejr01: hmmm... I am thinking build a tower there anyway. *I* would attack that corner with a ramp and siege tower</div> <div> Missiledine: I wouldn't worry about a siege tower, I'd worry about a mage with Shape Stone at skill 15+</div> <div> Dukejr01: I like this idea. I also like the idea of he bridges haveing small 2 story towers next to them and maybe the bridges could be</div> <div> drawbridges at some point.</div> <div> Dukejr01: lol. 8-)</div> <div> Dukejr01: A 10 foot small tower made of E-earth and reinforced with iron....</div> <div> Dukejr01: anyway. another future project</div> <div> Dukejr01: lets get cracking</div> <div> Missiledine: well it would be very east to mound and shape extra dirt on either side of the roads in and make elevated platforms</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes. do that right now. later, A will build towers.</div> <div> Dukejr01: give guards and archers some coverthere.</div> <div> Missiledine: to face the outside of the new wall with a 6" facing of stone will require 1212 castings of earth to stione</div> <div> Missiledine: if you want it 1 foot thick it will need twice that</div> <div> Dukejr01: wow. those cost 4 points apiece.</div> <div> Missiledine: yeah</div> <div> Missiledine: You will have to do something though, or erosion will be a problem</div> <div> Dukejr01: hmmmm... ritual magic? lol</div> <div> Missiledine: and that is just the wall, not the inside of the canal</div> <div> Missiledine: how many can you do a day?</div> <div> Dukejr01: 15 per day assuming 10 hour days.</div> <div> Missiledine: 80 days</div> <div> Dukejr01: twice that when A gets a couple healing spells</div> <div> Dukejr01: A can always fix erosion with shape earth and cast the eart to stone when he has time.</div> <div> Missiledine: true</div> <div> Missiledine: I'm going to have to redraw the damn map!</div> <div> Dukejr01: REdlun will become a small walled town</div> <div> Missiledine: yep</div> <div> Dukejr01: cool</div> <div> Missiledine: with some 1500 feet of wall you need 250 men to man it, plus the manor walls</div> <div> Dukejr01: that assumes an attack on all sides by those numbers.</div> <div> Missiledine: assume two gates? one by the manor and one near the chapel?</div> <div> Dukejr01: if we are assaulted by say, 200 men. they will not be able to attack all sides at the same time</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes,.</div> <div> Missiledine: ok</div> <div> Dukejr01: a raiding party or 200 men would look at Redlun and think "No way"</div> <div> Missiledine: most likely, unless they have magic backing them up</div> <div> Dukejr01: yup</div> <div> Missiledine: you should plan on moving the slaughter house and shearing sheds outside, along with a new turnout area</div> <div> Dukejr01: 36 militia and 41 spear levy. 77 men, plus my troops.</div> <div> Missiledine: if you use E earth and spread it along the slopes of the wall, the grass and vegetation will come back quickly, reducing the erosion</div> <div> issue</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes,. doesn't have to be thick either. it won't be plowed.</div> <div> Dukejr01: might want to do teh thorny bushes thing.</div> <div> Missiledine: also, Gallus will suggest re roofing the shearing sheds with stone (use rocks from the trench) use stone to tighten up the floors in</div> <div> those and the slaughter house and you have a couple granaries</div> <div> Dukejr01: hmmm.... good idea. Are there advanced designs of graneries or are they just big vuildings?</div> <div> Dukejr01: buildings</div> <div> Missiledine: well, while your tearing down the old wall, you can have the serfs cut the hedge back and haul the root balls ovewr and replant them.</div> <div> Spread them out, add some E earth and they'll come back quickly</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes</div> <div> Dukejr01: A can shape earth the root balls </div> <div> Missiledine: well, if you are storing loose bulk grain you will need special rooms for drainage and rodent proofing. But for barrels etc, its not as</div> <div> demanding</div> <div> Dukejr01: A will build silos later.</div> <div> Missiledine: the inn keeper will seek permission to enlarge his building once the old pallisade is gone</div> <div> Dukejr01: Great idea.</div> <div> Dukejr01: Anyone else?</div> <div> Missiledine: since you no longer need to move the river, you can simply dredge the mill pond without draining it</div> <div> Dukejr01: true. might as well</div> <div> Dukejr01: is the place stocked with fish?</div> <div> Missiledine: what to do with the mud?</div> <div> Missiledine: uhm, yes</div> <div> Dukejr01: good mud nice fro growing things?</div> <div> Missiledine: as long as you take your time and do a bit at a time it shouldn't harm them tho</div> <div> Missiledine: yeah</div> <div> Dukejr01: hmmm.... spread it on the fields unless there is a more pressing use for it</div> <div> Missiledine: might need some on the walls etc but not all of it</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, are we going to build a paisade on the riverside that we have now?</div> <div> Dukejr01: palisade</div> <div> Missiledine: you could</div> <div> Dukejr01: lets do. that way we have a palisade on all sides.</div> <div> Missiledine: will need to knock down some houses tho</div> <div> Dukejr01: be a little careful so as not to hurt the fish. do that project last. it could even be done later</div> <div> Dukejr01: do it later. after building NEW and nicer houses that families can move into</div> <div> Dukejr01: A will get together and lay out the new roads and lanes to make it pleasing and efficient.</div> <div> Missiledine: you could use dirt to extend a wall from the round tower to the mill dam</div> <div> Dukejr01: I was thinking aboutthat. good idea. incorprate it into the defenses.</div> <div> Missiledine: probably knock down 10 houses</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, that project is later. when A has time to build extra houses.</div> <div> Missiledine: the water wheel would be outside tho</div> <div> Dukejr01: true. no helping that. </div> <div> Dukejr01: fortify the mill hose make it a bastion.</div> <div> Dukejr01: house</div> <div> Missiledine: okay, what did we decide this canal will take time wise?</div> <div> Dukejr01: a week.</div> <div> Missiledine: ok, build the canal 1st.... then remove the old palisade and thorn trees</div> <div> Dukejr01: that assumes 8 hour days. which Athamar is willing to push. he can work longer if we stagger the serfs in shifts so they can get other</div> <div> things done</div> <div> Missiledine: then use that dirt to build houses for the newcomers</div> <div> Dukejr01: yes</div> <div> Missiledine: think about a house for a minute</div> <div> Missiledine: stone slab 15 hexes, 4 walls 20x10 = 29 hexes (1' thick) 1 hex for fireplace</div> <div> Missiledine: total 46 hexes of stone</div> <div> Dukejr01: 3 days apiece</div> <div> Missiledine: sorry 45</div> <div> Missiledine: yep</div> <div> Dukejr01: that works</div> <div> Missiledine: 29 houses</div> <div> Dukejr01: yep.</div> <div> Dukejr01: 90 days</div> <div> Missiledine: plus 7 days for the canal </div> <div> Dukejr01: </div> <div> Missiledine: say two days to tear down the old pallisade and shape the houses</div> <div> Missiledine: call it 100 days with good weather. Add 15% to accomodate bad weather = 115 days start to finish</div> <div> Dukejr01: not too bad. barring accident or war</div> <div> Missiledine: that assumes crews are doing the finish work while you go on to other things</div> <div> Missiledine: ooops! forgot shaping the roofs.... call that 3" thickness of stone adds 4 hexes to each house</div> <div> Dukejr01: heh heh. thre and a half days.</div> <div> Missiledine: total?</div> <div> Missiledine: or per house?</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, more like 3.3 days</div> <div> Dukejr01: per house</div> <div> Missiledine: ok call it 123 days</div> <div> Missiledine: not bad to double the town</div> <div> Dukejr01: still might be building houses come spring</div> <div> Dukejr01: esp if A has to go do shit like go to hearings and attack smugglers</div> <div> Missiledine: you know... the ten existing houses... you can knock them down, cart the rubble to the new location and stone shape it back into</div> <div> place</div> <div> Dukejr01: true</div> <div> Missiledine: have your crew strip everything salvageable and reinstall it</div> <div> Missiledine: well, if YOU survive the attack on the smugglers you will have until spring to get to work... At least three months</div> <div> Dukejr01: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: well, no time like the present. it will take a while for the Baron to get the message and make a decision. etc etc. we can get the canal</div> <div> dug</div> <div> Missiledine: ok then... I will work up the new layout for the village... good idea</div> <div> Missiledine: will need a couple bridges, probably timber at first</div> <div> Dukejr01: sure.</div> <div> Missiledine: put your serfs to work on that while you build the canal</div> <div> Dukejr01: yup!</div> <div> Dukejr01: not A's job</div> <div> Dukejr01: drawbridges would be neat later</div> <div> Missiledine: they won't be draw bridges at this point, that will take some time, but you can put gates up</div> <div> Dukejr01: gates now. drawbridge and heavy gates later</div> <div> Missiledine: the water moat in front of the manor is not as wide as the canal, but it will be deeper to get the water back to the dam</div> <div> Missiledine: hmmm, I have to think about that some morwe</div> <div> Missiledine: may not work</div> <div> Dukejr01: no? we can always slow downteh river any number ofways</div> <div> Dukejr01: or speed flow</div> <div> Missiledine: might have to put a second dam at the N end of the canal to back water up for the Mill dam and then spillway it out north of the</div> <div> manor house back to the river</div> <div> Missiledine: that puts everything inside trhe water</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay.</div> <div> Dukejr01: a deeper canal won;t hurt anyway and a dam will allow more controlled flow</div> <div> Missiledine: could also build a second mill</div> <div> Dukejr01: hey! right on the spillway?</div> <div> Missiledine: yep</div> <div> Dukejr01: we might need it too</div> <div> Missiledine: eventually, if you keep growing</div> <div> Dukejr01: make that mill into a purpose built bastion.</div> <div> Dukejr01: we will.... :-)</div> <div> Dukejr01: rah rah rah!</div> <div> Dukejr01: babies babies babies!</div> <div> Missiledine: I hate to say this... I've been giving hard thought to allowing the Draw Power spell</div> <div> Dukejr01: lol cool. A woulddraw the mill spillway</div> <div> Missiledine: of course, a dam like this won't yield a lot of power</div> <div> Dukejr01: true</div> <div> Missiledine: and even tho I'm telling YOU about this, it doesn't mean that the spell is common knowledge, or even its existence is widely known</div> <div> Dukejr01: a couple points is a coupel points.</div> <div> Dukejr01: yah. GM's control 8-)</div> <div> Dukejr01: anther reason froa geothermal tap!</div> <div> Dukejr01: :-P</div> <div> Missiledine: I don't think a mill would yield anything near a Mega Watt of power!</div> <div> Missiledine: 1MW = 1/2 a Fatigue</div> <div> Dukejr01: oh. well that settles that</div> <div> Missiledine: I will have to do some research on that</div> <div> Missiledine: I recall seeing something about potential electric yields from water flow</div> <div> Dukejr01: this larger area will make it easier to build a conservatory or nursery</div> <div> Missiledine: true</div> <div> Missiledine: a lot of wall length tho</div> <div> Dukejr01: maybe we should shorten it a bit since we will be putting the slaughterhouse and such outside anyway</div> <div> Missiledine: if you want growth room, I wouldn't</div> <div> Dukejr01: true.</div> <div> Missiledine: this also allows more garden room for the villagers</div> <div> Dukejr01: we have 80 men now. we will have near 100 when A has all the men he wants.</div> <div> Dukejr01: and like I said. most attackers are not going to be able to mount an assault at all points at the same time</div> <div> Missiledine: especially if you take out the row of houses along the river, the next row in gets more garden space as do the replacement sites</div> <div> Dukejr01: if we are attacked by 1000 goblins,we are toast anyway</div> <div> Missiledine: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: yup</div> <div> Dukejr01: Athamar will draw up these ambitious plans and after hammering outthe details will call in his retainers, ie. the milelr and Vintner for</div> <div> their input. then he will talk to the village leader</div> <div> Dukejr01: s</div> <div> Missiledine: ok</div> <div> Missiledine: their main concern will be that the old wall doesn't come down till the new one is up</div> <div> Dukejr01: since this effects the Miller quite directly and he is the expert on the rivers flow.....</div> <div> Missiledine: the old wall consists of three things, the dirt, the brambles, and a log wall along the crest</div> <div> Dukejr01: yup,. that is second.</div> <div> Missiledine: the existing log wall can be reused, but there isn't enough to do all that length</div> <div> Dukejr01: we can also use some of the materials from the buildings we are knockign down.</div> <div> Missiledine: more trees will be needed to finish that..... if you assume six men working on the bridge.... you aren't knocking any down at this time</div> <div> Dukejr01: oh yes</div> <div> Missiledine: you can put ten to work tearing down the old wall, while you are digging the canal, and moving it. And send ten to the tree line to</div> <div> harvest timber to extend the wall</div> <div> Missiledine: and have another crew assembling that wood to make the new wall sections...</div> <div> Missiledine: The villagers are used to doing regular maintence on the wooden wall</div> <div> Missiledine: the stockade needs annual repairs</div> <div> Dukejr01: cool. would stone be better sometime?</div> <div> Missiledine: absolutely</div> <div> Dukejr01: k. well. Later</div> <div> Dukejr01: A has shit to do first</div> <div> Dukejr01: Well, we have lots of extra hands</div> <div> Missiledine: if you use E earth, you can probably root the cuttings from the thorn bushes and have them ready to plant by spring... The Vinter can</div> <div> do that</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay.</div> <div> Dukejr01: wont take too many hexes ofE-earth to make plantings</div> <div> Dukejr01: e-earthed thorn bushes three times larger thorns would be nice. but how to swing it?</div> <div> Missiledine: without getting every weed too? tricky</div> <div> Missiledine: need to make the dirtballs the roots are in E earth</div> <div> Dukejr01: yah. I am wondering if we do the same as withte orchard. burythe e-earth and bput the root ball in it. then cover with regular earth</div> <div> Missiledine: should work</div> <div> Dukejr01: might not even want All teh bushes 3 times larger. say a third of them. the large bushes filled in by the smaller. tanglethem about.</div> <div> Missiledine: right</div> <div> Dukejr01: killer. I like this.</div> <div> Missiledine: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: get some golems use them to patrol the palisade...</div> <div> Dukejr01: and the dogs.</div> <div> Dukejr01: Maybe, just maybe my boys can hold off an army of undead..... yeah. and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.</div> <div> Missiledine: lol</div> <div> Dukejr01: </div> <div> Dukejr01: hmmm... I think that covers most of what A will be doing for the winter</div> <div> Missiledine: you know, its not really that hard to make a Golem</div> <div> Dukejr01: nope. takes energy</div> <div> Missiledine: well, enough for tonight, its almost 3:30 here</div> <div> Dukejr01: A will probably make Stone golems later as projects</div> <div> Dukejr01: okay. geez. didnt' realize</div> <div> Dukejr01: night</div> <div> Missiledine: neither did I</div> <div> Missiledine: night</div> </td> </tr></table></body>